I was detatched mentally about a year before leaving. Sad (hypocritical) event with CO, DO and two ass**** elders. Caught them all in a lie and exposed it at the meeting of the CO and elders. Anyway, that was the light going on - could not see much difference vbetween the RC church I left and the JW I joined.... I used the lessons of the 'boiling frog". If I quit all at once they would notice and become hounders but I planned my exit over 6 months of slow deliberate actions. 1st I stepped aside as an elder with all the usual excuses of needing time with my family, loosing my joy, etc. Reduced meeting attendance, skipped CA, SAD and DC, no assignments, missed once a week FS then increased it to becomming irregular, then back for a week ,etc. When I was 100% out in Feb 2010 it took four months for anyone to really notice, got the visit over and done with (gave them no opportunity to pull the DF rout with my "apostate" thinking). Had fun with excuses they could not challenge, such as feeling I got baptized for selfish reasons as Armegddon was immenent and was interested in self preservation - needed to reconcile that, plus other hard to challenge excuses. Once I set my mind to action, it made the meetings easier as the cognitive dissonance was abating fairly fast. I began to pay attentin to simply confrim what my heart now truly felt. All the best, lots of experience here to help you through. I could not have got as far as i did without the JWN and the support of many.
Simon Morley
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Hardest most awkward parts of being mentally out but physically in
by BU2B ini am still physically in but am completely out mentally.. i was curious for those who spent some time in the borg while being mentally out or are still in that position, what is the worst, hardest or most awkward parts... for me i intensly dislike attending the meetings however its bearable as i can just let my mind wander, but field service is awful.
i cannot try to bring someone in to a group that i am trying to plot a way out of.
so now i try my best to either spend the day driving around to others fruitless rv's (we have somewhat rural territory) or eating out at an extended breakfast or if door to door cannot be avoided, i try to work alone and not ring bells.
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Anderson Cooper is gay!!!
by laverite inaccording to the la times, anderson cooper is gay and no one was surprised about it.
was anyone here shocked by the news?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-anderson-cooper-gay-20120702,0,1530321.story.
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Old news, but how about getting AC360 to do an expose about JW's? he did a great job of disecting the Mormons and Scientologists.
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Sunday's Drama @ convention!!! OMG!!!
by itscrap&theyknowit! inthe drama -- i basically laughed hysterically!
i guess marriages are breaking up left and right within the organization.
a couple got married young.
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my wife and I have a much happier marriage after leaving Dubdom
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Credit card machines at district conventions
by OneDayillBeFree inso it's true they are real.
i never thought i'd see the day when the org.
would be so desperate for money that they would do this.
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ODBF: Can we see the picture? can others post what they saw/see at the DC?
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JakeM2012: DC2013 spoiler!! LOL
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College vs. University is very differnet in many parts of the world. Here in Canada some pursue a two year diploma at a technical college. However, many of the colleges here are moving to three and four year degree courses and dropping diplomas. that will create yet another cnundrum for WTB$.
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(Let's try again)
It’s that time of the year when the electro-shock therapy called the District Convention is foisted upon the unwary and brain-dead. This year we are seeing the same old standard themes that work to numb the brains of the attendees rolled out by the WTB$ glitterati.
The topic – Higher Education, so here is my counter argument based on facts and not supposed scripture.
It is of interest that the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports on the overall unemployment rate from a number of perspectives. I would hold that the rates they post are no different here in Canada or perhaps other parts of the developed world. The BLS reports unemployment rates for the following four groups classified by education attained, all groups consist of individuals 25 years old or higher:
1. Less than a high school diploma
2. A high school diploma but no college
3. Some college or an Associate degree
4. Bachelor's degree or higher
The rates for May 2012 were Group 1 @ 13%, Group 2 @ 8.1%, Group 3 @ 7.9% and Group 4 @ 3.9%. In May 2012 the only group that saw decline was Group 4, all other groups increased over April 2012. This means that if you have less than a high school diploma you are four times as likely to be facing unemployment that a counterpart with a Bachelor’s degree or higher and twice if you graduated from high school and/or took some college. Of interest is the Group 4 has seen the most rapid decline in unemployment over the last year at a rate of two -three times faster than the other groups. The BLS also reports that age does not seem to impact the numbers so clearly education choices do.
We all know why higher education is frowned upon as it is seen as a drain on the door-knocking ranks and valuable money that would otherwise go to the coffer$ of the WTB$. So it would appear counterintuitive that in preventing higher education they are in fact contributing to their own downfall. The US Department of Education shows that 60% of all new jobs in the 21st century will require skills that are possessed by only 20% of the current workforce. A staggering statistic indeed!
My argument then is that if higher education is bad then why we not see would the benefits of such a decision in the statistics? We can see the benefits of not smoking, keeping our weight down, not abusing alcohol/drugs and sticking to the speed limit….things that are tacitly addressed in scripture. So why would a loving, caring God put his children at such a risk of not being able to provide for their family as encouraged at 1 st Timothy 5:8?
The discouragement of higher education by the WTB$ is glaringly evident. How many do you know that are facing employment challenges? How many JW’s are saturating the window cleaning and janitorial market, often undercutting one another to just get by? They face a future with large numbers of unskilled workers looking for jobs that require skills they simply do not possess. Add to this that very soon Boomer JW’s (many of whom decided not to pursue higher education in the mid 70’s)will start to peak with no source of retirement income and the expectation that their family will pick up their care costs – assuming their family is still in the so called truth and there is a kingdom hall for them to bunk out at….
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New Light...Letter to BOE...Curtsey protocal
by Momma-Tossed-Me inthe governing body has now deemed it appropriate for sisters to curtsey when any member of the gb is present!
they are in fact princes pro tem so it is only good form.
fun on a monday..
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Which 'THIS' generation will by no means pass away?
by ThomasCovenant ini know this has been said a thousand times already but oodads posting reminded me of when i got to thinking about the generation teaching at a family get together we had a couple of months ago with some witness relatives and so much wanted to ask this question at the table.
imagine it is the year 1914, and jesus walks into the room and sees these four generations of males.
he says ''this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur''.. which of the four generations is he talking about?.
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"This" is a demonstrative pronoun used in the present tense in the scripture in question.
Jesus provides us with ample evidence of where he used present tense demonstrative pronouns. An example is found at Mat 26:39: "....if it be possible let this cup pass...." Jesus uses the same demonstrative pronoun in the present tense - he was not speaking about any future cup or a cup that overlaps he was speaking of his present condition.
If it was future then why not use a pronoun to compliment the subject and put it in context such as "there" - "There will be a generation, and this generation will be no means...."
The Writing Department evidently threw away all the great grammar books they had.